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OperatorOperator+43.5

Good day, and welcome to the Chesapeake Energy Corporation First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded.

Chris AyresOther+22.7

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today to discuss Chesapeake's first quarter 2024 financial and operating results. Hopefully, you've had a chance to review our press release and the updated investor presentation that we posted to our website yesterday.

Domenic Dell'OssoOther+25.0

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. We continue to execute on our 2024 financial and operating plan and our first quarter results further demonstrate that we are a company built to efficiently meet consumer demand and deliver sustainable value to shareholders through cycles. Today, the natural gas market is clearly oversupplied. Our 2024 plan is focused on discipline, operating -- operational efficiency and free cash flow generation while building the productive capacity needed to deliver for consumers when demand recovers.

OperatorOperator-76.9

[Operator Instructions] And the first question will come from Nitin Kumar with Mizuho.

Nitin KumarAnalyst+0.0

I want to start on CapEx that came in quite a bit below what your guidance was for the quarter and you're a little bit ahead of schedule in terms of building the deferred TILs and DUCs, so I just want to get a sense of what were the drivers of that CapEx number? And how does that shape for the rest of the year?

Josh VietsOther+13.7

Yes, Nitin, this is Josh. Yes, we had a really good quarter to start off the year. We ended up around 16% under our guide for capital. About half of that is just purely related to timing and a lot of the timing was on the non-D&C side. And so just as we're getting some of our leasing ramped up and infrastructure projects ongoing, that will just occur later in the year.

Nitin KumarAnalyst+0.0

Great. And Nick, I have to say I was a little bit disappointed that there wasn't an obligatory slide on AI demand for -- and power gen demand for gas in your decks last night. Just wanted to get a sense of where you guys see that evolving? And what are the early thoughts at Chesapeake about the growth for power gen in the U.S?

Domenic Dell'OssoOther-9.4

Yes, it's a good question, Nitin and we -- for years, we've been a little puzzled by the forecast that have had power generation -- or demand for power flat in the U.S. And we know that over the last several summers, we've seen pretty real increase in power demand and particularly natural gas-fired power demand. We do think the utilities have struggled to voice the need for incremental generation capacity given a number of the challenges that they have within their own stakeholder base, and I think it's changed. And so we're really encouraged to hear the market talk about the growing demand for power.

OperatorOperator-100.0

Your next question will come from Bert Donnes with Truist.

Bertrand DonnesAnalyst-17.9

It did look like you had any incremental agreements on your LNG portfolio. I assume you're still looking for those, but does the data center growing demand hypothesis kind of slow that down? Or maybe do you want a lower mix internationally, maybe you're more focused on U.S. or just what you're thinking is there?

Domenic Dell'OssoOther-9.4

Yes. Good question, Bert. No, we're still actively engaged in a number of different LNG discussions. As you know, those discussions take a lot of time. As far as whether the data center concept would slow us down, no, it wouldn't necessarily slow us down. Competition is great, and we do think there will be competition for supply. So we'll pay attention to that. But we're moving forward with our strategies, and we think we'll have ample gas to supply all of the markets that where there will be demand. And frankly, look forward to there being some competition around that. But we're not changing anything.

Bertrand DonnesAnalyst+32.3

That makes sense. And then hypothetically, assuming everything goes well with Southwestern and you're able to gain the synergies that you've outlined, are there more synergies from getting even larger at that point? Or do you focus more on midstream? Or maybe once you have that scale is when you just switch to more of a buyback program and driving more organic?

Domenic Dell'OssoOther+32.0

Yes. I think at this point, you'd have to say any time you're going to talk about what's next in your strategy, you go back and talk about the things that we think are important, which are being able to supply these markets with the most efficient molecule is possible to meet growing demands for energy. That means having a really low cost structure, that means having a really deep inventory that means having great execution. We're going to continue to stay focused on all of those things, first and foremost. We did feel like the merger with Southwestern allowed us to advance on those fronts and have real synergies, real industrial logic that helps to improve our ability to meet those goals over time.

OperatorOperator-100.0

Your next question will come from Zach Parham with JPMorgan.

Zachary ParhamAnalyst-84.5

I just wanted to get a little more detail on the curtailment. You highlighted you'd be curtailing 400 million a day in 2Q and -- that you curtailed 200 million a day in 1Q. Could you give us a little more color on the curtailment strategy and maybe detail how much in curtailments were built into the full year guidance? And when do you expect those curtailed volumes to come back to the market?

Domenic Dell'OssoOther-17.2

Yes, I'll start this and then I'll pass it over to Josh. So as we think about what we are trying to accomplish this year, remember we talked about doing a lot of activity deferrals. And those activity deferrals are focused on the fact that the market is pretty clearly oversupplied, and we don't want to bring on wells in an environment where the initial production of these wells, the significant part of the return comes to market in an oversupplied market and receives a lower than breakeven price. So we've had the activity deferral schedule in front of us, but recognize that, that activity deferral results in decline that occurs over a period of time.

Josh VietsOther-9.4

Yes. Zach, this is Josh. I mean it is customary that we would see demand weakness in certain markets in the shoulder seasons. And so as we issue the 2.7 Bcf a day guide back in February, we had accounted for those volumes in there. But really to Nick's point, kind of how do you then set up the production curve to best mimic what the market needs. That's effectively what we've done to where you model in and execute on curtailments in the Q2. And then you allow those volumes to flow back in over the next subsequent quarters in the second half of the year.

Zachary ParhamAnalyst-18.2

Got it. And then maybe just one on your latest macro thoughts. We've seen lower 48 production decline pretty rapidly over the last couple of months now at sub-100 Bcf a day, has overall production trended in line with your expectations? Really just looking for your updated thoughts on kind of the macro environment in general.

Domenic Dell'OssoOther-12.6

Yes. Great question, Zach. I would say actually to see production get below 100 as quickly as we did, is maybe a little bit surprising to us. We weren't expecting that, but what we've also seen at the same time is that demand fell off pretty quickly. So starting with the supply side. we think curtailments took a bigger role. It wasn't just activity deferrals. So people didn't wait for a decline similar to what I just described within our own decision-making process. But -- so volumes came off probably a little faster than we would have thought through the year. However, what we also saw at the same time is that there were a lot of LNG capacity that was off-line through March and April and we probably had 2 to 3 Bcf a day off through a good portion of March and April that represented pretty weak demand. And you're seeing a lot of that demand come back now.

OperatorOperator-71.4

Next question will come from Charles Meade with Johnson & Rice (sic) [ Johnson Rice & Company ].

Charles MeadeAnalyst+0.0

Nick, I'm wondering if you can -- if you'd offer some thoughts that maybe characterize what your engagement with the FTC has been like so far?

Domenic Dell'OssoOther-11.0

Look, I mean, we've been engaged with the FTC. Obviously, we're in the second request phase of this process. It will take some time, as you would expect to reply. We're eager to work with the FTC and get all their questions answered, we feel good about the underlying merits of the transaction and look forward to getting through this process and getting it closed. But really hard to predict exactly how long that will take. And so that's why we gave a forecast of just second half of the year.

Charles MeadeAnalyst+0.0

Got it. And Josh, I wonder if I could ask about the -- your TILs and DUCs. And I wonder if you could kind of characterize for us the -- what's different that you're doing now, maybe setting up these wells to be off for 3 months, 4 months, maybe 6 months, maybe longer. Are you doing something different to kind of put these wells in cold storage, so to speak, versus what you would do regularly? And have you learned anything so far from this effort that you wouldn't have expected at the beginning.

Josh VietsOther-8.9

Yes. Charles, thanks for the question. As far as the DUCs go, I would say, there's really not anything different that we do. This is a pretty common practice. The wellbore is in a state that it could sit there for an extended period of time. So I would say that's just pretty typical run-of-the-mill business. With the deferred TILs, we do have to be a little bit more thoughtful about how we manage those in terms of our wellbore preparation and preservation, primarily from a corrosion standpoint. But probably most importantly, we do have to stay on top of them. And specifically, it's around just monitoring the pressure.

Charles MeadeAnalyst-52.6

Got it. Josh, so you mean you're managing the -- monitoring the shutting pressure to see if there's [ offset completion ]?

Josh VietsOther-200.0

Shutting pressure. Yes, that's correct.

OperatorOperator-100.0

Your next question will come from Josh Silverstein with UBS.

Joshua SilversteinAnalyst+0.0

So I just wanted to follow up on the production outlook for the year, just based on where 1Q volumes were the 2Q guide and the outlook. I suggest that Chesapeake may not get down to that 2.1, 2.2 Bcf a day range in the fourth quarter, but you'll still have the 1 Bcf a day of capacity. So I want to see if that was right and just kind of see what the cadence would be for the back half of the year.

Josh VietsOther-16.5

Yes, Josh, we are managing production to the level of around the 2.7 Bcf a day. So again, just to reaffirm that the guide is unchanged at this point. We did have some overproduction in the first quarter of the year. Some of that was attributed to a non-operated accounting adjustment that rolled through into the quarter. So that did push those volumes just a little bit higher. But we are still on track. Even as we talked earlier about the curtailment, which is pulling down the Q2 number, but that $400 million that we take out of Q2 starts to settle in into the Q3 and Q4 numbers. So in effect, we are flattening the back half of the production curve.

Domenic Dell'OssoOther+0.0

Josh, let me just reiterate on that point. I mean I think it's really important as you think about that question, it's really important to note that there's a forecast from -- with 8 months left to go in the year. And we've been pretty clear that we're going to stay really focused on the economics of our underlying business and do what makes sense. So if market conditions don't play out the way we expect them to, we'll adjust whether that means producing more or producing less. I think the setup feels pretty good today, but we have a lot of flexibility in how we respond.

Joshua SilversteinAnalyst+0.0

Yes. Well, the follow-up was kind of along those lines. We're 6 to 8 months away from winter pricing and gas going back over $3. How do you think about bringing the capacity back on, what's the process of it? Is it TILs and DUCs the new rigs? Or what's the time line for that?

Domenic Dell'OssoOther+13.3

Sure. So first of all, let's talk about what's going to trigger this for us. We get asked a lot about what price are you going to bring volumes back online? And of course, that's an easy way to think about it in an easy way to model it, but it's not the right way for us to make that decision. When we think about price, we think about it as an indicator of what's going on in the underlying market, but the trajectory of what's going on in the underlying market matters a lot more to us than what the price is at the moment. And so we will continue to monitor the current production levels and the trajectory of that production, the storage levels, the activity levels across each of the basins and think hard about what we really believe the market needs before we make any changes.

OperatorOperator-90.9

The next question will come from Neil Mehta with Goldman Sachs.

Neil MehtaAnalyst+20.0

I wonder can you just spend some time on your hedging framework specifically the hedge the wedge concept. So can you just talk about the way that you approach hedging and the advantages of having a rolling program, especially in the contango curve. And then I have a follow-up.

Mohit SinghOther-6.8

Yes, Neil, this is Mohit. Thanks for that question. You referenced the hedge the wedge program that's been our way that we have been hedging over the last several years. The way we philosophically think about it is you have $1 billion, $1.5 billion capital program. So you're investing dollars into the ground, you want some certainty on when you start getting the production back. So that's -- think of that as 9, 12 months after making kind of the initial investment decision when you're spotting the well. And you just fundamentally don't know what prices would be at that point. So you want to lock in some of that returns that -- on the investments that you're making, which are fairly substantial, right? When you look at the market cap of the company versus that kind of a capital program, you might be investing 10% to 15% of your market cap into the ground.

Neil MehtaAnalyst+0.0

And the follow-up is just on the global LNG market. You talked in the slides about the 12 Bs of incremental supply coming out of the United States, Qatar's coming through with North Field expansion in 2026 and beyond. And so Nick and team, how do you think about global LNG price being a potential governor on long-term gas prices?

Domenic Dell'OssoOther-23.3

Yes. Neil, it's a great question, and it's something we think about a lot. As we think about LNG growth. I mean the market is clearly eager to have more LNG supplies. There's a number of different projects out there that are eager to accept in the growth in LNG, but it's also pretty obvious that at some point, there will be oversupply and that market will have volatility in the same way that the domestic markets do, and we're prepared for that and understand that.

Mohit SinghOther+0.0

And Neil, this is Mohit. The only thing I would add to that is we are signing up 20-year LNG transactions, and we're going in eyes wide open that there will be periods of time when that transaction will be out of the money. So it's a diversification and connecting us to the eventual end users, as Nick was describing. That's the strategic mandate for us. And -- but again, being fully aware that there will be periods of time when we'll be out of the money.

OperatorOperator-100.0

Your next question will come from Paul Diamond with Citi.

Paul DiamondAnalyst+0.0

Just a quick one on the kind of the timing and the cadence of the DUCs and the TILs. Should we think about that more nearly from this point forward through the year? Or is there -- is it kind of a point like Q3, where you just stop and kind of revert back to normal? Just how should we think about the cadence?

Josh VietsOther+0.0

Yes. So really, what that ties back to is just the underlying activity cadence of our drilling rigs and frac crews, where today, we're running 8 rigs and 2 frac crews. And so we do anticipate that we'll drop 1 additional rig in the Marcellus middle of the year. But by and large, you should expect those in deferred TILs and DUCs to build in a linear fashion through the course of the year.

Paul DiamondAnalyst-61.2

Understood. Just one quick follow-up. If we were to see any kind of increased volatility out of the three levers, I guess, for additional DUCs, TILs or the curtailments, is there any preference you guys currently hold kind of what order you address any near-term volatility with?

Domenic Dell'OssoOther-12.8

Well, I mean, I think it all depends on what's going on. If you have some sort of short-term spike in demand that we don't think will be sustained, then we have curtailed volumes, we can bring to market to help meet that demand. If you think that there is more of a step change in demand and volumes are needed in a longer-term fashion, then you start to bring some of those deferred wells online.

OperatorOperator-66.7

And the final question for today will come from Kevin MacCurdy with Pickering Energy Partners.

Kevin MacCurdyAnalyst-40.0

To dig into the curtailments a little more, the 2Q guide shows that the Haynesville is declining faster than the Marcellus. I'm just curious if that's being driven by something you're seeing on local prices that is leading to more constraints or is that just natural declines in the Haynesville?

Josh VietsOther-11.4

Yes. That's really just due to local market conditions. We were seeing pricing there that we just really start to question whether or not it makes sense to continue to flow gas into those markets. And so we selectively look at the well sets and what margins are for each well, recognizing that chemical usage, water production will impact wells margin. And so we just think that pricing that we're seeing in the second quarter, it simply doesn't make sense to flow the full allotment of volume there.

Kevin MacCurdyAnalyst+0.0

Great. And to follow up on an earlier question about returning production, do you have the capacity to bring back volumes on faster in 1 basin compared to the other? Or will it be about the same in the Haynesville and Appalachia?

Josh VietsOther+0.0

Yes, it should be about the same. I mean there's a lot of considerations that go into how we bring the production back, I mean, outside of just the macro conditions that Nick spoke to earlier. But it's really just around logistical planning. And so we have to be thoughtful about where gas gets introduced and when to manage the gas gathering systems and things like water hauling. But really, I wouldn't say one area is advantaged or disadvantaged more than the other.

OperatorOperator-71.4

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to now turn the conference back over to Mr. Nick Dell'Osso for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Domenic Dell'OssoOther+12.5

Well, thank you all for your time this morning. We really look forward to progressing through this year, working on planning for the integration of our merger and delivering on what we expect to be improving gas market conditions as we approach 2025. As always, if you have any other follow-up questions, please reach out to our outstanding IR team. They will be ready to take your calls, and we look forward to seeing you guys down the road. Thanks.

OperatorOperator+0.0

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.